I remember asking a question about this Deborah, who judged the nation of Israel. I do not have the Watchtower reference, but the gist of why a woman was allowed to judge the nation of Israel was because it showed Israel's "poor spiritual state or condition" in that there was no spiritually worthy man at the time qualified to judge.
Muddy Waters
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New Geoffrey Jackson statement on Royal Commission's webpage!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Viva la Vida incheck his signature... it looks kind of childish/feminine (at least in my part of the world)... is this a grown man's signature for you?.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=9d0ca1dc-1bd6-41c4-9cfc-b1d616d1cc65&type=exhibit&filename=stat.0670.001.0001&fileextension=pdf.
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The Heartless JW
by babygirl30 insoooo...i have recently been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, and am scared out of my mind.
in a weak moment, i called my parents and my mom answered.
i start crying as i tell her about my disease, and this woman says to me:.
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Muddy Waters
Oh how hurtful, so brutal. And they don't even know it! - that's the thing! O.O
Yet, in her cold-seeming, cult-clouded mind, she did voice the hope that you "take care of yourself."
I believe this part is where you can find comfort from your mom.... Her sentence, expressed, is the verbal part of her soul voicing herself to you, despite her cult indoctrination..... "Take care of yourself..." (Is it possible to allow one part of your mind to hear it from her heart, expressed in this way: "oh no! Please, take care of yourself.... Oh I hope you do take care of yourself....") and then the dub-brain would stop her from saying anymore.
You see, I too, was one of those cold, brutally harsh, horrid horrid monster-ized, deluded and TOTALY indoctrinated Dubbies!! And I believed the lies and bullshits with my whole heart, soul, mind, and goddamn strength. (Sorry, this religion really brings out all my urges to swear now, which I had suppressed for so many decades! )
You see, I am an older lady now, in my fifties, perhaps the same age as your mom... and I got hood-winked into this religion when I was around 20.... A very vulnerable time in my life... And I grabbed it and I totally believed "the truth" ... And Thought I was actually being loving and loyal and faithful and all that crap when I too complied with their harsh and horrible shunning.
I was so so so so so blinded and believing. I believed them totally, and that is so scary a thought to me, that I blindly turned my whole thoughts and life over to them. It really gives me the heebie jeebies now because THEY DON'T KNOW JUST HOW F**KING DELUDED, BRAINWASHED, AND HURTFUL -- HORRIBLY HURTFUL -- THEY ARE. They cannot see it. (-- and perhaps *this* is what will make it possible for you to eventually and hopefully forgive her if and when she can ever see through the lies....)
Though I don't believe the bible any more, the scripture, "Father, forgive them, they know naught what they do." applies when you're dealing with a totally indoctrinated JW-drone....
It hurts, yes, it hurts so much, and I am so sorry you are dealing with these terrible things all at once -- but do trust that there are moments still of grace and beauty and good things in our life too... That within the storms and shadows and fright, there are calm things and beautiful things, and still funny and cute things, and life and food and friends, and hopefully some family..... And I do hope you have pools of friendship available for you.... And know that you need not walk alone on this journey... With or, most likely, without your mom, you will get through this.
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They've Exposed Their Hand
by OneFingerSalute inso the wtb&t$ have either intentionally or unwittingly exposed their hand in this mornings wt indoctrination article.. this is a direct quote from par.
"regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about jehovah's organization.
" the question is, "what obligation does psalm 48: 12-14 place on us?".
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They've Exposed Their Hand
by OneFingerSalute inso the wtb&t$ have either intentionally or unwittingly exposed their hand in this mornings wt indoctrination article.. this is a direct quote from par.
"regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about jehovah's organization.
" the question is, "what obligation does psalm 48: 12-14 place on us?".
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Four Jehovah's Witnesses face death penalty - Victim of Pakistan's Blasphemy Law.
by Sol Reform infour jehovah's witnesses face death penalty - victim of pakistan's blasphemy law.. http://www.charismanews.com/world/44004-popular-tv-show-the-latest-victim-of-pakistan-s-blasphemy-law.
popular tv show the latest victim of pakistan's blasphemy law 10:00am edt 5/28/2014.
world watch monitor film actress veena malik and her husband, assad khattak khan, were charged with blasphemy after a re-enactment of their wedding appeared on "utho jago pakistan.
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Muddy Waters
You know what... "Religious" people scare me now, especially these extremists. They frighten me with their closed thinking, their judgements and pronouncements, eee, many of the things I used to be. But what is it about Muslim belief which make them so violent and hateful and intolerant??
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12 signs you are a modern day Pharisee
by Zoos ini was reading through this list and was struck by how accurately it describes the watchtower royalty class.
not exactly a professional doing the writing but i think he captures it pretty well.. http://frankpowell.me/12-signs-you-are-modern-day-pharisee.
for those who cannot access the link:.
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They've Exposed Their Hand
by OneFingerSalute inso the wtb&t$ have either intentionally or unwittingly exposed their hand in this mornings wt indoctrination article.. this is a direct quote from par.
"regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about jehovah's organization.
" the question is, "what obligation does psalm 48: 12-14 place on us?".
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Wow.... Nothing about the Kingdom or Jehovah and his kingdom? As in, "This good news of the kingdom...?"
I wonder if they will also start saying, "... this good news of the website.... (must be preached in all the inhabited earth)..."?
It is all about them -- "Listen, Obey!! (and be blessed)" -- the Organization and the Governing Body ("Governing Body" is best said in David Splane's voice, so tremulous, affected, breathy and self- reverential - most sickening of all! - though once upon a time I believed that he was a most spiritual man!!)
The Organization supersedes Jehovah. The Watchtower magazines, secret elder's books and branch manuals supersede the Bible.
They have become Pharisees & Sadducees, men leading men (to their injury), with treacherous hearts and isolation bringing them to seek their own selfish longing (amazing how many bible verses they use can be turned against them!)
Tell others about the organization?? You bet.
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Does this ever happen to you?
by stillin innot very often, something will come up that makes me get a sense of having lost something.
maybe a television interview with a witness who does an exceptional job of explaining the kingdom preaching or something.
maybe accolades from the medical community for their stand on blood, how that has helped some other, supposedly superior alternative to be developed.. or maybe it's just a particularly poignant meeting.
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Muddy Waters
This is so relevant to me right now... just the other, night, for the very first time in a long time and in a very painful way, came the remembrances of my JW life and the "zeal" I had... The feeling that I was really doing something that was worthwhile and important. And the friends and the "worldwide brotherhood"..... That feeling of family and togetherness and unity they always bang on about.
And now... Here I am, getting older.... Realizing my mortality is gonna happen.... Yet I would not want a single active, indoctrinated JW to ever be at my funeral.
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They sure get you -- not only being afraid of a present day apocalypse but worrying about an event a 1,000 years away into the future.
And I just realized that the crumpled-up Satan's "tire tracks" are the chains which had bound him in the abyss.
I remember being amazed, shocked, and disappointed at this illustration-- like, why so many?? The people stretch way into the distance, on and on (with their little sticks and headbands) .... So many of our brothers & sisters choosing to follow Satan! Why?? (Well, now I know why! lol)
It must be difficult to make fists in the paradise, they look so flaccid. The woman on the left, with her bun falling out of her hair, has an especially weak fist. Like she's holding a microphone. Perhaps these rebels didn't comment enough at the new-world meetings, and so didn't get in enough "fist-making" (microphone holding) practice.
And 1,000 years into the paradise, witnesses will still be wearing Western dress clothes --shirts with lapels & collars. Such conformity. Yet I bet some of those brothers-turned-evil are even wearing brightly colored socks.
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London Bethelites Are Agitated!
by The Searcher ina source has informed me that a relative who's in london bethel has said that a number of bethelites there are very uncomfortable and embarrassed because the branch has received "quite a few letters" querying why members of the governing body were wearing flashy rings and jewellery on some of the monthly broadcasts, but on the broadcast when the g.b.
asked for more money from the congregations - their gold and jewellery was not on display!.
will probably emerge one day wearing sackcloth, begging for yet more donations..
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Yes, tie pins, cuff links, watches, pinky rings.... What else is acceptable for a man to bling himself with? Amazing they don't have nose rings & earrings. I'm sure that if they could, they would.